At the end of 2019, the industry ushered in the outbreak of the concept of industrial blockchain.

New players are constantly pouring into the industrial blockchain track, and the blockchain begins to appear on small invoices; it appears in crude oil traceability, in court judgments, and in cross-border remittances... It means that the blockchain is having a chemical reaction with basic necessities of life.

The current concept of industrial blockchain is explosive, but blockchain technology is still a long way from the blueprint in the vision. On January 9th, at the 2020 "FAT" Summit Forum and Awards Ceremony hosted by Odaily, the "Blockchain and the Next Step of Industrial Landing" roundtable forum gathered a group of explorers who tried to explore the combination of industries first.

Li Xi, co-founder of Easy Group; He Yingqi, general manager of BTG Homeinn Blockchain Technology Co., Ltd.; Wei Jiayi, a partner of Chuanglian Data, and Zhao Yilin, a partner of Chuanglian Data, were the protagonists of this roundtable dialogue. They shared their thoughts on the implementation of the exploration scene from different perspectives, and discussed the relationship between the Internet and the blockchain and the implementation of the blockchain. , the next step of the industrial blockchain and other topics.

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Internet and blockchain relationship

Zhao Yilin: When we talk about the blockchain, we cannot avoid talking about the Internet. Many people are still trying to understand the relationship between the Internet and the blockchain. Please interpret it。

Li Xi: To put it in simpler terms, the Internet is informatization. It has changed from a traditional application method to an informatization platform to connect information and avoid the problem of information out of sync.

The difference between the blockchain and the Internet is that it solves the problem of trust. The blockchain solves the credit mechanism that the Internet cannot solve through technology. The difference between the blockchain and the Internet is that the blockchain uses the guarantee of the underlying technology to solve the bridge of trust between people.

Luo Qionghua: The Internet is a presentation and application that everyone sees, and blockchain is a leading technology. In fact, the Internet is constantly iterating, and the experience of each decade is very different. Behind this is the update and iteration of technology. Blockchain can help the Internet to achieve more connections.

He Yingqi: In the vernacular, the Internet is faster and the blockchain is slower. From our understanding, Internet application scenarios are very large, and blockchain-based application scenarios are limited. In fact, blockchain technology can be unlimited.

After the central government set such a high banner this year, our team is still quite anxious. If the application scenarios based on blockchain are limited, it means that China's strongest troops will come in actively or passively. So we have to work hard in limited scenarios as soon as possible.

I think the Internet is bottom-up. Everyone can say that we are self-media, we can post Douyin, and we can be a micro-business. Not all blockchain-based scenarios are suitable for bottom-up, and many Still from top to bottom, this is my understanding of the Internet and blockchain.

Wei Jiayi: To sum it up in one sentence, maybe the relationship between the Internet and the blockchain cannot be deeply understood, but the blockchain is indeed a powerful tool for high-end technology to solve billing, financial and tax issues.

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The biggest difficulty in blockchain landing

Zhao Yilin: Blockchain is an ecology that requires everyone to build it together. What is the biggest difficulty in promoting the blockchain industry?

Li Xi: When we use blockchain for public welfare, we have some thoughts. We let the user see the hash of each donation, telling him that your donation is already on the blockchain, but found that the actual user's perception is very weak. Users will not consider whether the technology behind it is blockchain technology or centralized technology.

So later we made the blockchain an open platform among public welfare organizations. But for C-end users, there is currently no good way to let users feel what kind of changes the blockchain has brought. This is the first try and the first thought.

The second is our thinking when trying insurance blockchain. In 2018, we transferred the insurance policy from the sales platform to the blockchain, and the insured institutions generated insured orders through the blockchain information, put the insured orders on the blockchain, and opened up information sharing channels.

The biggest problem that blockchain solves is the issue of trust between institutions. The blockchain has indeed solved many problems in the insurance industry, and it has also brought commercial value. When the policy is launched, the problem of information synchronization is solved, and the problem of efficiency is also solved.

Luo Qionghua: The first difficulty is that everyone still has a lot of doubts so far. It is difficult to clarify what the blockchain is. The second is that Ant basically has the most landing scenarios up to now, and now there are more than 40, and it is growing at the rate of adding two new scenarios every month. In the process of exploration, we may find that a certain scenario can be solved without blockchain. Of course, we have stepped into many such pits in the process. The third is that the first one to eat crabs will always spend a lot of effort to get some polished relevant data. To do new things, it is relatively difficult to find a team and someone who is willing to become the first crab with you in the process of early adopters.

He Yingqi: The first pain point of the blockchain industry is how to make money. There is also compliance, which is definitely something that cannot be bypassed.

Li Shisen: Everyone in the blockchain industry knows that blockchain is a collection of a series of technologies, involving cryptography, mathematics, and encryption algorithms. When bringing blockchain applications to normal C-end users, how can users easily feel the blockchain? This is the biggest problem.

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What kind of data is worth on-chain?

Zhao Yilin: When we talk about the blockchain, the important premise is that the data is on the chain. What kind of data is on the chain to be considered as real and credible data? What do you think about the uplink data? Also please share.

Li Xi: For data uploading to the chain, first, the chain must be legal. Second, the data on the chain must be generated by an electronic system, not manually typed data or manually identified data. Manual data on the chain does not have much value, and it must be structured data that brings more great value.

Luo Qionghua: I understand that information should be on the chain, what kind of information should be on the chain or what kind of information should not be on the chain or its standards.

For example, taking copyright as an example, even if I wrote an article first and stored it on the judicial chain, and someone later posted a similar article, it is still possible. This happens to prove who is first and who is last. When a dispute arises and a lawsuit is filed later, the untamperable data on this chain will clearly identify who is the real copyright owner.

Li Shisen: On-chain does not mean that all data is on-chain, but some information should be on-chain, and some information cannot be on-chain even if you want to. For example, for genetic data, the whole genome data measured by one person is about hundreds of gigabytes, so on-chain refers to the value and rights of data anchored on the chain. Learning algorithm, hash summary on the chain.

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What is the future of the combination of blockchain and industry?

Zhao Yilin: The last question, what do we think about the prospect of the combination of blockchain and industry? How should it walk to be able to walk more smoothly?

Li Xi: To sum it up in one sentence, I think the industrial blockchain should be in line with business, and the only way to survive in the industry is to be evergreen.

Luo Qionghua: Ant has always believed that the blockchain must empower the real industry, and we will continue to do related explorations in the future, even if we continue to feel the joy and pain of innovators.

He Yingqi: In the Internet era in the past, it was an information operating system, but now it is a value operating system. How to create a value operating system in the industry, and then let the ecology and APPs generate value, this is our thinking.

Wei Jiayi: If our existence is important, then we cannot die, and everyone will help us find a way to survive.

Li Shisen: The beauty of the world is because every ordinary person contributes to the world. The same is true for blockchain applications in all walks of life.

A few months ago, Tencent proposed a term called "Technology for Good". Here is also an appeal to everyone to participate in the blockchain industry to be brave enough to explore and tap the potential value of blockchain applications in various industries. We believe that technology for good must serve human society.

Zhao Yilin: Finally, to sum up, we all believe that there is a long way to go for blockchain to empower the real economy and integrate industries in the future. This road is not necessarily tortuous, but may be smooth. But our future must be bright. A bright future may require everyone here to influence everyone around us. Mass participation, everyone's participation, and the whole society should take action. Then our tomorrow, I believe, will be even better . thank you all!